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William Shakespeare or Fulke Greville? That is the question

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Published Date: 19 February 2008
Shakespeare's plays may have been written by a Warwick nobleman - and a tomb in St Mary's church could hold the key to proving it. In his book The Master of Shakespeare, writer AWL Saunders claims he has uncovered the true identity of the poet and playwright behind Shakespeare's work.
He believes the sonnets and plays were written by Fulke Greville, Lord Brooke, a courtier, soldier and celebrated writer well known for the biography of his friend Sir Philip Sidney.

Mr Saunders said he had been intrigued for some time by a remark Greville made that he wished "to be known to posterity under no other notions than of Shakespeare's master".

After reading that a 1990 computer study ruled out candidates such as Christopher Marlowe and Francis Bacon but left Greville's claim intact, Mr Saunders used a computer to compare the writings and known life story of Fulke Greville to deductions based on the first folio of Shakespeare's works.
This is his story.

Author AWL Saunders wrote: "I compiled a profile of Greville and compared it to the folio profile and was amazed to discovered that he was an exact, one could say quite perfect, match with the profile of 'William Shakespeare'."

Mr Saunders built up a database of 177 'profiles' based on possible biographical details found in Shakespeare's work and biographical facts and references from Greville's writings.

He believes these show the two writers, both from Stratford, look alike, used similar language and shared insight into areas such as sailing and law, and that characters and episodes from Greville's life match details that can be gleaned from Shakespeare's sonnets and plays.
One of Mr Saunders' arguments is based on a tribute by Shakespeare's contemporary Ben Jonson's included in the edition.

Jonson refers to the Stratford poet as a "Monument without a tombe", which Mr Saunders believes may refer to a tomb Greville had built in St Mary's church in 1623.

The marble monument resembles a double bed on which is placed a black sarcophagus.

Its inscription reads: "Folk Grevill, Servant to Queene Elizabeth, Concellor to King James, and Frend to Sir Philip Sidney."

Greville is not buried in the tomb, and his body was instead placed in the family vault beneath it, so Mr Saunders believes Jonson, who knew Greville and referred to his friendship with Shakespeare, was instead alluding to the monument which was not the poet's final resting place.

Mr Saunders believes Sidney, a lifelong friend of Greville, may have been the male object of affection in some of Shakespeare's sonnets, and says other figures in Greville's life correspond to characters such as the 'dark lady' of the poems.

He even suggests Greville may have arranged for Sidney's body to be moved to the sarcophagus in St Mary's church.

According to the book, a William Shakspere of New Place, Stratford was a grain merchant recorded as having given and received loans, with no documentary evidence to suggest he was a writer.

Mr Saunders suggests Greville may have invented a pseudonym based on his nickname of 'gentle Mr William and an invitation by poet George Peele to "shake your spears" in honour of Sidney's name.

He has no doubt it would have been impossible for the actor and playwright supposed to have written the plays to have co-existed with the learned courtier and poet without there being a record of the two men knowing each other.

Mr Saunders wrote: "It is not possible to calculate exactly the odds against there having been two sixteenth and seventeenth century poets of Stratford, who could both match the 177 profiles in this study.

"I asked two mathematicians if it were possible to calculate the odds against there being two such men. "Both were of the opinion that it was not possible but that if it were, the odds against it would be astronomical."

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  • Last Updated: 19 February 2008 8:47 AM
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Crypt,

London 06/03/2010 15:18:09
It looks like there is an ignorant petty individual within the Leamington Spa Courier who does not like the validity of Wiliam Shakespeare being commented upon.
They print an editorial about one of the areas great minds Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke then when anyone answers by comments here they delete it.
Wake up Editor of the Leamington Spa Courier,if you invite comments PRINT THEM and dont be an idiot as you will harm the tourist industry of Warwick and Leamington Spa.
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Earle Goodwin,

Bedford, Virginia USA 06/03/2010 16:46:36
Interesting article and certainly open for discussion. I read somewhere that there had been some investigation of the marble monument at St. Mary's and using modern xray technology evidence of something inside that monument which may lead to further historical information with regard to the true identity and author of Shakespeare's writings. Wouldn't it be a surprise to all if the identity was different than the current beliefs. Think of all the Shakespeare Theatrical Groups in the US and UK who would have to consider renaming themselves. And to add insult to injury the monies that have been spent to perpetuate Shakespeare. "Ah, what webs we mortals weave"
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Readerpearl,

Leamington Spa 07/03/2010 14:58:15
What does AWL expect to find probing an empty tomb,
does he think there are lost manuscripts there?
That is if he gains authority from St. Mary's to carry out his investigations.

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Readerpearl,

Leamington Spa 07/03/2010 15:02:26
What does AWL Saunders hope to find probing an empty tomb with a camera? Does he think there are lost plays buried there?
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Crypt,

Surrey 26/03/2010 13:36:18
If any evidence is unearthed to confirm that Lord Brooke,Fulke Greville was the Master of Shakespeare and wrote many of William Shakespeares plays then I give credit to experts such as AWL Saunders and Lord Brookes great ancestor Historian Christopher Fulke Greville for investigating this matter.
As this is of national importance the truth should be made known wether it upsets William Shakespeares followers or not.
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Readerpearl,

15/04/2010 17:53:02
Crypt,
I am keen to learn just who Shakespeare was. I would like to find out more about Historian Christopher Fulke Greville's findings and agree it is of National importance. I am pretty sure there is a link between Fulke Greville and Shakespeare.
When will the probing of the marble monument at St. Mary's take place?
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Crypt,

Surrey 03/05/2010 15:58:06
Readerpearl
There has been some moderate obstruction from the Shakespeare Society with regards the unearthing of evidence that would help to prove Fulke Greville was indeed the author of William Shakespeares Works.
Such experts as AWL Saunders and Christopher Fulke Greville along with several other leading Historians could well be very near in solving this mystery.
Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke has an enormous amount of mystery about him,what we do know is that he was a Courtier and close friend to various Monarchs and they would have regarded Fulke Greville far to important to be familiar to the the general public.
As a Statesman,Spy Catcher and the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order,secrecy was the art of his character.So it probably tickled him to write his poems and other works using the name William Shakespeare.
If you search for many original paintings of Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke including the original that is at Warwick Castle you will find that many supposed paintings of William Shakespeare are one of the same.
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Crypt,

Surrey 03/05/2010 15:59:58
Readerpearl
There has been some moderate obstruction from the Shakespeare Society with regards the unearthing of evidence that would help to prove Fulke Greville was indeed the author of William Shakespeares Works.
Such experts as AWL Saunders and Christopher Fulke Greville along with several other leading Historians could well be very near in solving this mystery.
Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke has an enormous amount of mystery about him,what we do know is that he was a Courtier and close friend to various Monarchs and they would have regarded Fulke Greville far to important to be too familiar to the general public.
As a Statesman,Spy Catcher and the first Grand Master of the Rosicrucian Order,secrecy was the art of his character.So it probably tickled him to write his poems and other works using the name William Shakespeare.
If you search for many original paintings of Fulke Greville,Lord Brooke including the original that is at Warwick Castle you will find that many supposed paintings of William Shakespeare are one of the same.
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